Joan DE SAY
- Married (1): 12 Nov 1351, Sawbridgeworth, Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England
- Married (2): Before 1370
- Died: 29 Jun 1378
After the death of Sir Adam in Shareshull [2nd of husband of Joan who had been married to William's grandfather, John de Fiennes] in 1370, the Great Milton estate went in dower to Joan, William's widow, then the wife of Stephen de Valence. On her death in 1378 it reverted to her son Sir William de Fiennes, who had succeeded his brother in 1375.... 1
To John Froille escheator in Oxfordshire. Order not to meddle further with the manors of Lynham and Escote taken into the king's hand by the death of Adam de Shareshull, delivering up any issues thereof taken; as the king has learned by inquisition, taken by the escheator, that the said Adam at his death held no lands in that county in chief in his demesne as of fee, but held the said manors for life with reversion to Joan (yet living) late the wife of William Fienlys now deceased, who Stephen de Valence has taken to wife, by virtue of a grant thereof made by Richard de Chyderle clerk to the said William and Joan and to the heirs of the said William, and that the same are held of others than the king.
Calendar of Close Rolls, 44 Edw. III., pp. 145-6
To John Froille escheator in Oxfordshire. Order to take into the king's hand the manors of Escote and Lynham together with the issues thereof taken since the death of Adam de Shareshill, and to deliver them with the said issues to Stephen de Valence and Joan his wife to hold during the life; as on 8 April last by divers letters patent the king committed to William Gamboun the keeping of a messuage and two carucates of land in the town of Ascote, and to William Hervy the keeping of a messuage and two carucates of land in the town of Lynham, which are of the heritage of John de Fienes a minor in the king's wardship, and were in the king's hand by the death of the said Adam, who held the same for life of that heritage, to hold with the issues thereof for set yearly farms until the lawful age of John de Fienes; and after it was found by inquisition, taken by the escheator at the king's command, that Joan Fienles long ago held the same manors in her demesne as of fee, and after espoused the said Adam, that the said Adam and Joan and to the heirs of the said Joan, that the said Adam overlived his said wife and by virtue of the said grant held the said manor for life with reversion to William Fienles, son and heir of John Fienles son and heir of the said Joan Fienles, that William de Fienles gave the said reversion to Richard de Chiderle clerk and John Cramphorn and to their heirs, to whom the said Adam attorned himself, that after the said Richard, who overlived John Cramphorn, gave the said reversion to the said William Fienles (now deceased) and Joan his wife, whom Stephen de Valence has now taken to wife, and to the heirs of the said William de Fienles, and the said Adam likewise attorned himself to them...
Calendar of Close Rolls, 44 Edw. III., p. 156
Order to John Maysham, escheator in the county of Kent, to make a partition into three equal parts of all the lands which Elizabeth, daughter of William de Say and late the wife of William de Heron, knight, on the day of her death held of Richard II in chief or was seised of in her demesne as of fee, and of all the lands which the said William de Heron, who survived the said Elizabeth, his wife, held on the day of his death, of the present king in chief, or otherwise, in joint feoffment with his said wife in fee tail of the inheritance of ( 1 ) Mary (whom Otes de Wortlyngton has married) one of the daughters of Elizabeth Aldone, one of the sisters of the said William de Say, (2) Maud, the second daughter of the said Elizabeth Aldone, (3) William de Clynton, ' chivaler,' son of William the son of Idonia de Clynton the second sister of the said William de Say, and (4) Roger de Fienles, son of William the son of Joan Fienles, the third sister of the said William de Say (Mary, Maud and William de Clynton being of full age and Roger de Fienles a minor in the king's ward), and, after taking the fealty of William de Clynton, Otes and Maud, to cause the said William de Clynton, Otes and Mary, and Maud to have full seisin of the pourparties of William and Mary and Maud respectively, as the king for 40s. paid in the hanaper has respited until Michaelmas next the homage due from Otes by reason of his having issue by Mary, and the homage of Maud and William de Clynton, retaining Roger's pourparty in the king's hand until further order ; with proviso that each of the said heirs and parceners have a share of the lands which are held of the king in chief and so be the king's tenant.
Calendar of Fine Rolls, 6 Hen. IV, p. 315
Joan married Sir William DE FIENNES of Herstmonceux, son of Sir John DE FIENNES of White Waltham and Maud de MONCEAUX, on 12 Nov 1351 in Sawbridgeworth, Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England. (William DE FIENNES was born on 2 Feb 1331/2 in Herstmonceux, Sussex, England and died on 2 Dec 1359.)
Joan also married Stephen DE VALENCES of Gore Court before 1370.