Artaud IV DE LYON et de Forez
(Bef 1000-1058)
Raimonde DE FOREZ
Artaud V DE LYON et de Forez
(Abt 1032-Bef 1077)
Ita-Raymonde DE LYON Countess of Forez


Family Links

1. Renaud II DE NEVERS Count of Nevers & Auxerre

2. Cte Guigues dit Raymond D' ALBON

Ita-Raymonde DE LYON Countess of Forez

  • Born: 1065

   Research Notes:

The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus…[filios]…Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis". La Mure’s Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d’Artaud V…comte de Lyon et de Forez et d’Ide son épouse" and refers to the couple’s donation of "quelques terres situées au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita’s dowry. La Mure does not quote the charter nor does he provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon’s Histoire de Savoie. This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably it has since disappeared. It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde’s affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise. Two difficulties remain. The first is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust). The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage when Guigues Raymond must still have been an infant. These problems would be solved if Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon in fact had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud’s wife was "filiam unicam". It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues’s wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud. If there was really only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct. It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita’s second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected.

   Marriage Information:

Ita-Raymonde married Renaud II DE NEVERS Count of Nevers & Auxerre, son of Guillaume I DE NEVERS Count of Nevers & Auxerre and Ermengarde DE TONNERRE. The marriage ended in divorce. (Renaud II DE NEVERS Count of Nevers & Auxerre was born in 1047 in Nevers, Nièvre, Bourgogne, France and died on 5 Aug 1089 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France.)

   Marriage Information:

Ita-Raymonde also married Cte Guigues dit Raymond D' ALBON, son of Guigues I "Vetus" D' ALBON and Agnes (=Ines) DE BARCELONA. (Cte Guigues dit Raymond D' ALBON was born between 1071 and 1075 and died after 1096.)

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